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Mitglied
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Thanks,
Absolute is fine, I just wanted to make sure i'm not imputting absurd values...
I'll post some results somewere between tomorrow and sunday evening.

Wicherd
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Hi,

I'm very interested by your software, I want to use it to show the efficiency of grommets under motors :)

I have a FC 1.3, flashed in 0.8f version, MKTOOLS is the 1.7a version.
When I flash the FC with the Flight-Ctrl_MEGA644p_VibrationTest.hex file I have an error message that say : "hardware is not compatiblewith mikrokopter tool"

Should I use an old version of Mktool to make it work and what version on Mktools should i use ?

Another problem: I downloaded the vibrationtestexe.zip files and unzipped it.
When I double clic on vibrationtestGUI file I have an error message:
"this application has failed to start because the application configuration is incorrect.Reinstalling the application may fix the problem"

there is something to install in the exe files ?


Edit:
well I installed MKTOOLS V1.66a, I downloaded python and installed everything (instead of using the vibexe files) and it seems it works :)

Lets try a little test now :p

edit 2:

Ok everything works ^^
weel to make it work I had to use the vibrationtestGUI from the vibrationtestexe.zip (and not the vibtestgui from vibtest.exe) but it works :)

I made a small test without propellors and the result is ...
well I have vibrations values around 500 :D it do not appear in the graph (limited to 200)
is it normal to have so much vibrations or is it an artifact ?

Thanks a lot ;)

Cédric
« Bearbeitet von catlord21 am 15.08.2010 16:20. »
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The latest version is 1.2 (VibrationTestExe_1_2.zip, see http://www.mikrokopter.de/ucwiki/en/VibrationTest). There is only one exe named "VibrationTestGui.exe"

Once you have flashed the hex-file for the vibtest, it is normal that it is not compatible with recent MKtools, but you do not need MKTools to do the vib-test, only to reflash the recent hex-files again after the vibtest.

Vibration values of 500 are very big. Well-tuned systems should have something well below 50. You say this is without props???? Can you save the measured data (after measuring selecting TestSet>Save from the menu) and post?

Thanks,
Frederic
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I use a personnal frame with motors well known for their vibrations (towerpro 2410-09).
I take the frame in my hand : I know the results are not relevant like this but their are less vibrations than putting the frame on a DVD cakebox :D. For now i'm trying to have some "normal" results (around 100 before enhancements

I will post a video of this small test.


Thanks a lot for your quick answer and your interest ;)

Cédric
« Bearbeitet von catlord21 am 15.08.2010 17:58. »
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good evening :)
here are the results.
I used a QC450 motor for this test on an SLE-X9.01 frame.
On the first test the LiPo was nearly empty so I made a second test with a fresh one :)

The frame can be seen here :

SLE-X9.01

QC450 MOTOR TEST 100 AccRoll,QC450 MOTOR TEST 150 AccRoll,QC450 MOTOR TEST 200 AccRoll,QC450 MOTOR TEST 250 AccRoll,QC450 MOTOR TEST 2ND 100 AccRoll,QC450 MOTOR TEST 2ND 150 AccRoll,QC450 MOTOR TEST 2ND 200 AccRoll,QC450 MOTOR TEST 2ND 250 AccRoll
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Good, this seems valid data.

This is one motor with a prop, right?
Did you do any effort to balance/rotate the prop to improve the vibrations yet? Probably the current setup is very unbalanced...
It looks like the frame is vibrating/resonating. Did you try to improve that? Did you read the "Checking the reliability/accuracy of the results" section on the wiki page?

Frederic
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For now I didn't do anything to improve vibrations. It was a test to see if everything was fine and If I could use it to start the enhancements :)
The Fc is on vibrations dampeners (those from conrad wich look like the same as on the MK.de shop)

I will start this afternoon real test and improvments with gromets but I have to builde first a test bench ... I will also read carefully the whole wiki section about your soft ;) (and watcha second time the videos too)

I will publish the results here if I have something interesting (like reducing the vibrations below 100 :D)

Thanks a lot for your soft and for your disponibility ;)

best regards,
Cédric
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Hi,
I downloaded and tried the Vibration test. everything looks fine until the motor switches to first test speed which is 100 as default. then it turns into red and gives an error message.
here is the full message of the test:

Starting test "N/A"
Opening SerialPort "com12"
Version: 0.80
Voltage: 13.8V
Min/Max Voltage: 14.0V-15.6V
Starting motor(s) (speed=15)...
Changing motor speed to 100...
Getting data from channel AccRoll
ERROR: Exception "list index out of range"

I am using "FC_ME 2.1" When I tried to flash the hex file it gives a kind of mismatch error but I ignored it and tried to run the test
am I doing something wrong?

Thanks in advanced.

Hilmi
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Hi,
I downloaded and tried the Vibration test. everything looks fine until the motor switches to first test speed which is 100 as default. then it turns into red and gives an error message.
here is the full message of the test:

Starting test "N/A"
Opening SerialPort "com12"
Version: 0.80
Voltage: 13.8V
Min/Max Voltage: 14.0V-15.6V
Starting motor(s) (speed=15)...
Changing motor speed to 100...
Getting data from channel AccRoll
ERROR: Exception "list index out of range"

I am using "FC_ME 2.1" When I tried to flash the hex file it gives a kind of mismatch error but I ignored it and tried to run the test
am I doing something wrong?

Thanks in advanced.

Hilmi


Strange, it seems like a mismatch between the PC software and a the MK software... It looks like the flashing of the VibTest hex file did not succeed...

Frederic
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Do you have any suggestion? How can I test my FC?
Hilmi
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Do you have any suggestion? How can I test my FC?
Hilmi

On the wiki-page under "Installing the FlightControl software" there is a screenshot of what you should see in the MKTool when the correct FC code for the Vibtest is loaded. You should use a MKTool that is compatible with 74d version to see this.

Frederic
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Ok. I'll Check.
Thanks
Hilmi
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I tried with MK Tools, 1.66b,1.66,1.63 non of them worked it doesn't let me downgrade the SW.
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I tried with MK Tools, 1.66b,1.66,1.63 non of them worked it doesn't let me downgrade the SW.
Hilmi

Updating the SW (upgrading / downgrading) works will all versions of MKTools (As far as I know).
If there is a mismatch of the MKTool and the FC software you will see that MKTools complains that it is not compatible and that it cannot show any info and you cannot change any settings.

So, the VibTest FC code is based on 74d. As soon as you loaded that firmware (via any MKTool version if I am not mistaken), your MK will become incompatible with a recent MKTools. This is no problem, only when you would like to see the "MK ==VIBR TEST==" on the virtual LCD screen of MKTool, you need to use an older one. A compatible MKTool is not needed to run the VibTest.


Frederic
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Is this working on FC2.1?
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No it's written on page 1: it work ony with FC 1.3.
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I am using "FC_ME 2.1"


Oops, missed that... Sorry.

Frederic
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I missed the post about versions. sorry for taking your time.
are you planning a new version? :)
Hilmi
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it works with 1.X versions. From ME, they made a hardware change so that the processor no longer can "see" the vibrations registered by the sensors; these rapidly changing signals are filtered out before they reach the processor. I suspect the 2.1 has the same design. So, no I do not plan a new version.
I have a 1.3 and 2.0 version and I install the 1.3 whenever I want to measure vibs.

Frederic
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Ok.
Thanks.
Hilmi
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It's been looong time but I wanted to thanks again FredericG for ths software because I'm still using it :)
I use it actually to make some comparison between motors/propellers.
The software allow me to have a good tool to pilot motor (I'm studying the efficiency of prop/motors): I request a test on the band 30-250, the soft start the motor and I'm logging all the data with a dataloguer( intensity, voltage, speed of the prop,T°,...) and I log the vibrations with this soft :)

The results can be seen on my website:
http://www.1001copters.com/content/6-test-de-moteurs-helices

I will publish all the results as soon as I get it :)

Thanks again Frederic ;)
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Just found this and is I want to build one. Now finding a 1.3 FC :?

//Frank
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Hi Frederic!

First of all, thank you for such a good job and dedicating as many hours as you probably did!

I have some vibration problems with my oktokopter, and I was planning on using your aplication to solve them but I have a FC ME board, so for what I've read it doesen't work with those.

You mention a capacitor change will sove this and I was wondering if you could specify witch is the one I should change.

I have some electrinics knowdlege (more than enough to change a capacitor) but I can't find any other than a big 330 uf one.

I was also wondering if that change can be permanent, or I should put bak the original capacitor after the vibration test is done, to be able to fly again.

As I said, thank you very much!

Mariano.
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Hi Frederic!
Your Software for Vibration Test is impressive. Good job.
I have some basic skills in Python 2.7. So i want to use the MkProtocol.py to control an stand alone BL-CTRL. Can you give me a short example code how to use your Code?
Thanks a lot

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