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ich glaub ich hab einen troppen inner hose :shock:
wie wunderschön! ich sehe die gardenaschlauch dicken akkukabel. welchen akku wird das teil bekommen?

*abonniert und auf flugvideo wart*

ups sorry international! :mrgreen:

i said before: what a wonderful thing, GREAT WORK, waitng for more to come. and wich lipo do you want to use?
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WOW!
What kind of motors have you used here??

Is the wooden xoar props good for MK? (vibrations)

What kind of blctrls have you used? They seems like non-stock products i have never seen before. Selfmade?

What are you going to lift with this monster? :)

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This is 400 amps power board made on same princip as blctrl 2.0 on I2C bus

http://www.kopterworx.com/All-products-in-shop/Aerodrive-8-Power-board
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Very nice!!
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Will be good to hear what you think of that nice ESC board. Please let us know.
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mmmm nice :)
Pack me 3 of those plase :))
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fetter 8-Zylinder 8)
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Nice workspace!
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1 - THAT'S BIG!!!!! :shock:
2 - What are those motors? The MK 3538 look like a toys near it.
3 - What power pack are you planning to use? 2, 3, 4 LIPOs, a nuclear reactor perhaps ? :D
4 - Besides the fun... why do you need such a BIG bird ? :mrgreen:

Congratulations, that's really a beautiful work.
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1. yep it is
2. motors are AXI 4120
3. 3x 5s 8000mAh / small uranium tablet :P
4. to carry pack of bear / 24 pieces - im kiding.
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Nice workspace!


Thanks.
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Aerodrive 8 Power board:

Developed and assembled in Switzerland. ;)
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I am assembling almost the same setup, the only difference is the retract gear i am not planning to use.
In fact i am buying most of parts with Krleas (KopterWorx), excellent service, imbative price.

Krleas, i am trying to find a way to use the 360 AV200 Pro with the original landing gear. Possible ?

I just got the 15x5 Xoar props from the post office. That are BIG :).
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I didnt try jet normal landing gear with AV200 360. Try to find some solution :)

Did u have any problem on customs or went everything ok?

p.s.
And Skyjib is a big and nice lady, what u think?
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I didnt try jet normal landing gear with AV200 360. Try to find some solution :)

Did u have any problem on customs or went everything ok?

p.s.
And Skyjib is a big and nice lady, what u think?


I sent a e-mail for you, check it.
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What setup would you recommend for 4kg payload?
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Same skyjib 8 or cinestar 8 with axi 2826 motors and Herkules II boards + Mk electronics.
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The race to the heavy lift must be guided by a good reason to this.
Why using an H bomb to kill a fly?
A big fly won't be convenient for some shoots or very dangerous.

Every shooting project calls for an optimal machine, in my opinion.

Such a machine (nice pictures) has an increased lethal potential, and the payload must call for such a machine.

Resellers have a commercial interest to sell these highly priced items, the margin will be better, but the buyer is always the one who decide...
... More or less wisely, often impressed by BIG!

PS: Great job! The 4120/20 is not an optimal motor: It weights too much, and if a detailed comparison is made with plettys and Kora, you get a similar thrust figure for less weigh and amps.
Carrying 5 x 5S 8Ah said it all ... About hungryness for a decent flight duration.
My 2 cents.
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Coptaire u have always negative posts. Is there any positive in you?

Just if u want to know delaers price are bull shit. They are from 6-14 %.
U must sell at least 10 pieces to get one.

Resellers have a commercial interest to sell these highly priced items, the margin will be better.
U are wrong. Not to mention shipping cost, customs and all other shit.
Not to mention, everyone wants some discount like 2-3% and so on.

U really makes me mad with every your post.

My 2 cents.
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Coptaire u have always negative posts. Is there any positive in you?

Just if u want to know delaers price are bull shit. They are from 6-14 %.
U must sell at least 10 pieces to get one.

Resellers have a commercial interest to sell these highly priced items, the margin will be better.
U are wrong. Not to mention shipping cost, customs and all other shit.
Not to mention, everyone wants some discount like 2-3% and so on.

U really makes me mad with every your post.

My 2 cents.


I have wanted to comment to you at times coptaire, but have been choosing not to.
Those who do it simply comes with sharp criticism, and it is not nice either I think.
I can see why you get negative feedback on some of your posts, and i do not think it is very encouraging for you either.

It is very easy to read your posts as negative, the opposite is difficult.
You are easy correcting yourself and excuses your expressions and explains it as positive afterwards.
Maybe it's time to think twice before writing?

I do NOT try to criticize you or to hang you out coptaire, but i want to come up with constructive feedback here.
This is a forum to resolve things and share experiences.
Posts with negative wording is not very encouraging or motivating for anyone, and i hope it is permitted to remind each other of this.

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1993 newsgroup on internet - Netiquette - Never flame someone bringing an info, just info.
The principle, at this venerable time, was to consider that meeting someone thru fidonet (1986) and later newsgroup was something respectable, and that it was enough place, on any topic, for different points of views.
So, respecting this old netiquette, I can just think that you forget this positive rule.

I was talking about products, you are talking about an individual. Netiquette violation. forgiveness.. ok.

The innovative projects, like my propeller shroud project, offering MORE thrust and MORE security for LESS current is a positive post, isn't it?
But readers prefers to SEE BIG items rather than understanding AIR.

The respect I have for individual (Netiquette!) brings me to just talk about anything but people...
... I can agree or disagree what you conceive, make or propose, but I never criticize a person.

My right, my freedom of expression, allows me to express my different vision. I have no ideas about YOU, and after 25 years on fidonet/arpanet/internet I always stick with NetEtiquette.

Sorry to damage your sandcastle in the playground! My Dear Sirs.

4120/20 versus Kona versus plettys are based on facts. 4120/20 weigh is a fact.
Comparison is not an insult.
Everytime you read a "versus" review, you do comparison, what I do.

Saying that since 12/18 months the average power, price, hugeness is on the increase, is a fact, not a criticism.

Please, stick to ideas, concepts, technology, etc.. And argue, counter-argue with your amount of cleverness. It is more difficult that "short-circuiting" and talking about someone:
To do this decompose my sentences, and mark items with FALSE or TRUE, by example.
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The race to the heavy lift must be guided by a good reason to this.
Why using an H bomb to kill a fly?
A big fly won't be convenient for some shoots or very dangerous.


The reason for this has been on the manufacturers website since much earlier this year, to be able to carry a professional grade video camera such as the RedCam or other equivalents, i.e. cameras in the 3kg range. Not all movies are shot on DSLRs or GoPros

As for the motor choice, I have found that getting the most efficient setup does not mean that you will have the most stable setup, as you need to consider whether the motor has sufficient torque to accelerate the prop fast enough, and doing that means having to sacrifice some efficiency. Its basically a balance of all factors that ultimately depends on what the owner/operator decides is their optimal solution.
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The race to the heavy lift must be guided by a good reason to this.
Why using an H bomb to kill a fly?
A big fly won't be convenient for some shoots or very dangerous.


The reason for this has been on the manufacturers website since much earlier this year, to be able to carry a professional grade video camera such as the RedCam or other equivalents, i.e. cameras in the 3kg range. Not all movies are shot on DSLRs or GoPros
Exactly, you have payload and payload! Be precise: which RED are you going to fly? the REd epic at 50 000$ or the RED Scarlet-X (recent) at 10 000$ (body only) ?
A pack of 6, please, flying RED is so common nowadays!


As for the motor choice, I have found that getting the most efficient setup does not mean that you will have the most stable setup, as you need to consider whether the motor has sufficient torque to accelerate the prop fast enough, and doing that means having to sacrifice some efficiency. Its basically a balance of all factors that ultimately depends on what the owner/operator decides is their optimal solution.
You told it semi-wrong.
A motor propeller matching is an encounter between 2 curves:
- A brushless motor has a decreasing torque with RPM
- A propeller has an increasing torque with RPM (and air characteristics)
The right part of the curve is were the motor is at best efficiency, where the electric power is converted to mechanical power, not heat...
... Except if you plan to use your brushless to fight against winter cold!
It is an objective criteria, based on the motor/prop couple of your choice: You will use the motor at best efficiency (least heat, least consumption) to reach a targeted thrust.
The only thing the "operator" can do is to choice among several propellers (clipped or not, and always balanced) for a given motor.

It is all about physics (test bench for targeting performance) and nothing about ...empirism.
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